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Words
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VISIO—Moving Images in Europe since the 2010s.

Published by Lenz Press, 2024

Edited by Leonardo Bigazzi.
Texts by A. Alampi, E. Balsom, A. Bellini, L. Bigazzi, F. Bueti, B. Bulgari, B. Casavecchia, S. Cavoulacos, M. Cirauqui, I. Gianni, H. Khan, O. Laric, M. Lind, A. Lissoni, P-A. Michaud, H. Nefkens, E. Pethick, J. Ross, A. Satz, H. Steyerl, B. Stoppani, R. Trafford, V. Umansky, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Jonas Mekas. Requiem Società Dante Alighieri
Fondamenta Sant'Elena 3, Venezia.
17 – 21 April 2024

As part of the European première in conjunction with the LX Biennale d’Arte di Venezia
Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Presented by CURA.
Invernomuto
Santa Lucia. Pinksummer, Genova
13 Dec. 2023 - 24 Feb. 2024

with a carol by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi.
Nicola Genovese.
Desireless Toxi Space, Zürich
3-11 Dec. 2023

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi.
Produced by Fabriktheater Rote Fabrik, Stadt Zürich Kultur, Ernst Göhner Stiftung, Walter Haefner Stiftung.
Sentimento Mediterraneo:
Raffaela Naldi Rossano Flash Art #361
Summer 2023
Film Archives National Museum of Cinema, Milano. June 23, 2023.

a masterclass with Sebastian Mekas and Francesco Urbano Ragazzi,
a sleepless night with Jonas Mekas's films
Jonas Mekas. Cinema Is Young! Cineteca Milano
Apr. 15 - Jul 23, 2023.

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of Jonas Mekas 100!
Catalogue: Jonas Mekas. Images Are Real Published by Cura, 2023.

Edited by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi.
With texts by P. Adams Sitney, Hollis Melton, Ieva Jasinskaite, Philipp Scheid
Letters to Jonas Mekas.
Hot afternoon with Autarkia and Syndicate MACRO Museum, Rome
11 Feb. 2023, from 4 pm to 7.30 pm.

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and JL Murtaugh
in the framework of Jonas Mekas 100!
Jonas Mekas. Under the Shadow of the Tree Padiglione dell'Esprit Nouveau, Bologna
2 Feb. - 26 March, 2023

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of Jonas Mekas 100!
Jonas Mekas. Images Are Real. Mattatoio di Roma
Nov. 9, 2022 - Feb. 26, 2023

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of Jonas Mekas 100!
Miracoli e conversioni.
Tales from the LIAF Biennial. Teatrino di Palazzo Grassi
Oct. 20, 2022

Pauline Curnier Jardin and Francesco Urbano Ragazzi in conversation.
With a screening of videos from the Lofoten International Art Festival 2022
United by STD: RM. Flash Art #358
Fall 2022
LIAF 2022, Chapter III:
FANTASMAGORIANA North Norwegian Art Centre and five sites in Kabelvåg
Sept. 3 - Oct. 2, 2022

Lofoten International Art Festival 2022
curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
LIAF 2022, Chapter II:
Retyping a Library

Kenneth Goldsmith Kunstnernes Hus, Oslo (NO)
June 9 - Aug. 7, 2022

Lofoten International Art Festival preview project in Oslo
curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Anne Hilde Neset
Francesco Urbano Ragazzi presents artist Tomaso De Luca CURA. 38 The Generational Issue.
May 2022
LIAF 2022, Chapter I:
Something Out of It.

Pauline Curnier Jardin,
Tomaso De Luca Giudecca Women’s Prison;
Casa Venezia.
Press Preview: Apr. 18-24, 2022

Lofoten International Art Festival preview project in Venice
curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Curator's Key.
Richard Serra's Promenade. Spike Art Magazine #71
Spring 2022
Fuori Sempre!
La condizione dell'estraneità al quadro normativo come costante forza politica collettiva Fondazione Giangiacomo Feltrinelli.
20 Jan. 2022, h. 6 pm

Talk organized by Carlo Antonelli and Francesco Urbano Ragazzi. With Marco Scotini, Elisa Cuter, Elvira Vannini, Giorgio Bozzo.
Francesco Urbano Ragazzi:
On Performative Italian Cultural Institute of Oslo
Dec 9th 2021

Public talk on the occasion of XVII Giornata del Contemporaneo. Online performances by Tomaso De Luca and Raffaela Naldi Rossano.
Pharaildis Van den Broeck meets Missoni
Archivio Atelier Pharaildis Van den Broeck
17 Nov. 2021

Lecture by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
FUORI!!!
1971-1974. Published by NERO Editions, 2021.

Edited by Carlo Antonelli and Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
ISBN: 978-88-8056-142-2
Gaia Fugazza.
A Fool with a Tool. Case Chiuse by Paola Clerico.
Milan, October 19th, 2021 - February 11th, 2022.

Framed by Francesco urbano Ragazzi.
Pakui Hardware.
The Host. eastcontemporary
Sept. 15th - Nov. 30th, 2021

with text by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Poems I Will Never Release.
Chiara Fumai 2007-2017 La Loge, Bruxelles.
Sept. 09th - Nov. 13th, 2021

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Milovan Farronato
in collaboration with Mara Montanaro.
Vito A. in the Land of Whip. A Short Guide to Chiara Fumai's The Return of the Invisible Woman On Figure/s. Drawing After Bellmer.
Published by Ma Bibliothèque, 2021.

Essay by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi included in the book.
Tomaso De Luca and the Sculpture of Trauma.
MAXXI BVLGARI PRIZE.
Published by Cura, 2020.

Essay by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi included in the catalogue.

Other texts by Giovanna Melandri, Jean-Christophe Babin, Bartolomeo Pietromarchi, Manuel Borja-Villel, Emma Lavigne, Dominic van den Boogerd, Marianna Vecellio, Giulia Ferracci.
Catalogue:
Poems I Will Never Release. Chiara Fumai 2007-2017.
Published by Nero Editions, 2021

Edited by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi, Milovan Farronato and Andrea Bellini

ISBN: 978-88-8056-120-0
Jonas Mekas. Filming Independence
Scandinavia House | The Brooklyn Rail | Anthology Film Archives
13-14 January, 2021 from 1 p.m. (ET)

2-day webinar
Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Organized by Lithuanian Culture Institute | Humboldt Books
Poems I Will Never Release,
Chiara Fumai 2007–2017. Centre d’Art Contemporain Genève.
Nov. 4th, 2020 – January 31st, 2021

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Milovan Farronato in collaboration with Andrea Bellini.

Co-produced by Centre d’Art Contemporain Genève and Centro per l’arte contemporanea Luigi Pecci, Prato, in partnership with La Casa Encendida, Madrid; La loge, Brussels; The Church of Chiara Fumai.
Tomaso De Luca
We Don't Like Your House Either! Monitor Gallery. Rome / Pereto
Opening reception: Sept. 25th / 26th, 2020.

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
with works by Patrick Angus, Gerry Bibby & Henrik Olesen, Gina Folly, Joanna Piotrowska, A.L. Steiner, Stan VanDerBeek
Natália Trejbalová
About Mirages and Stolen Stones Case Chiuse #10 by Paola Clerico, Milan.
Opening reception: Sept. 22nd, 2020, h 4-9 pm.

text by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
AN EXHIBITION
Happiness. A Survival Guide for Art + Life
Museo MACRO, Rome
Sept. 17, 2020 h 6:30 pm

A lecture by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of Agorà, the public program of Museo MACRO
Jonas Mekas
Transcript 04 44’ 14”: Lithuania and the Collapse of the USSR Published by Humboldt Books, 2020.

Edited by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
English / Lithuanian
Paperback, dust-jacket, 168 pages, 23 x 30 cm

ISBN 9788899385668
Kenneth Goldsmith
I Declare a Permanent State of Happiness Teatrino di Palazzo Grassi,
Nov. 27 h 18:30

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Celebrating The Brooklyn Rail
with Jonas Mekas' diaries Chiesa di Santa Maria delle Penitenti, Venice
11, 13 October

introduced by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
HILLARY: Fall Public Program Venice
Sept. 26-27, Oct. 12, Nov. 27

in collaboration with Università Ca’ Foscari Venezia, Zurich University of the Arts, Zuecca Projects, Palazzo Grassi – Punta della Dogana.
Catalogue: Kenneth Goldsmith.
Hillary. The Hillary Clinton Emails
Published by Nero Editions, 2019.

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
With texts by Kenneth Goldsmith, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi, Emanuele Coccia.

ISBN: 978-8-88-056070-8
Kenneth Goldsmith
Hillary. The Hillary Clinton emails

Despar Teatro Italia, Venice
May 9 – Nov. 24

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Priscilla Tea
Sky Chain Borsa di Milano
May 24 - June 24, 2019

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Miltos Manetas
Milano Torre Rasini, Milano
March 21 - April 20, 2019

Curated by Francesco Maria Gloria Urbano Ragazzi Antonelli Cappelletti
in collaboration with Galleria Valentina Bonomo, Rome
Catalogue: Chiara Fumai. LESS LIGHT.
Published by ISCP Editions, 2019.

Essays by Kari Conte, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi, Stefano Collicelli Cagol.

ISBN 978-1-7320876-2-0
Chiara Fumai
LESS LIGHT ISCP, 1040 Metropolitan Ave, New York 11211
Feb. 12 – May 17 2019

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Kari Conte
Six Doors Centre d’Art Contemporain Genève

Sophia Al-Maria, Cheryl Donegan, Sabrina Röthlisberger, Johanna Bruckner, Bek Hyunjin, Shadi Habib Allah
Cheryl Donegan
Model! Pleasure! Artist! Alive! MISSONI Boutique, 1009 Madison Avenue, New York
Oct. 24 – Jan. 31, 2019

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Jonas Mekas
Like a Flower in a Field Reykjavik International Film Festival
Ásmundarsalur, Freyjugata 41, 101 Reykjavík, Iceland
Sept. 27 - Oct. 7, 2018

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
MP3 Bucharest Biennale 8
May 17 – Jul. 8, 2018

The Internet Saga presents MP3.
Curated by Beral Madra and Răzvan Ion.
Jonas Mekas
This Side of Paradise Auditorium Parco della Musica, Roma
May 3, 2018

talk and screening curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of Flux – Lithuanian Art Festival in Rome
Miltos Manetas
Towards the existential computing MAXXI, Roma
May 8 – May 15 2018

Four days of meetings with artists, intellectuals, writers and curators around Miltos Manetas’ Internet Paintings.
Catalogue: Jonas Mekas
Again, Again It All Comes Back to Me in Brief Glimpses. Published by the National Museum of Modern and Contemporary Art Korea, 2018

Edited by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Eunhee Kim.
With texts by Bartomeu Marí, P. Adams Sitney, Pip Chodorov, Eunhee Kim, Jonas Mekas, Amy Taubin, Hans Ulrich Obrist, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi.

ISBN 10: 8963031659 ISBN 13: 9788963031651
Jonas Mekas
Again, Again It All Comes Back to Me in Brief Glimpses MMCA Seoul | National Museum of Modern and Contemporary Art, Korea
Nov. 8, 2017 – March 4, 2018

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Eunhee Kim
Jonas Mekas
Blue, Yellow, Red, Purple MISSONI Boutique, 1009 Madison Avenue, New York
Oct. 26, 2017 – Gen. 31, 2018

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
In collaboration with Apalazzogallery
Tomaso De Luca, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Ballad of The Lights Cinema Massimo, Torino
June 19, 2017

XXXII Lovers Film Festival
Torino LGBTQI Visions
Jacopo Miliani
Male Male Malen Marsèlleria, Milan
May 31 – June 28, 2017

Exhibition texts by João Mourão and Luis Silva, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Sara Giannini
L’UOMO VOGUE N. 481 May – June 2017

Petrit Halilaj, Liu Janhua, Sam Lewitt, Martin Cordiano
Luca Pozzi
Blazing Quasi-Stellar Object CERN Main Auditorium, Genève
March 29, 2017

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of the Fermi LAT Collaboration Meeting
Jumairy
BRZ5 Dec. 16 – Jan 31, 2017

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi

With the special participation of Carlo Antonelli, Tomaso De Luca, Anna Franceschini, SAGG Napoli, Invernomuto, Jacopo Miliani.
ReReality and Other Words Zürcher Hochschule der Künste ZHdK,
Nov. 22, 2016

Lecture by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Jumairy
Artist in residence at FARE, Milano Frigoriferi Milanesi
Sept. – Jan. 2017

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
The residency program of artist and musician Jumairy (Dubai) is supported by FARE and Maraya Art Centre
A Mystical Staircase
online exhibition and lecture-performance Villa Croce Contemporary Art Museum, 63rd-77th STEPS.com
June 23, 2016 – ongoing

a project by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi

with works by Sarah Abu Abdallah, Basma Al Sharif, Johanna Bruckner, FAKA, Gina Folly, ForeverAdaForever, Foundland, Chiara Fumai, Tiril Hasselknippe, Jerome Hill, Institute for New Feeling, Karl Larsson, Kareem Lotfy, Malibu 1992, Miltos Manetas, Eva Papamargariti, Luca Pozzi, Tabita Rezaire, Harry Sanderson, Fabio Santacroce, Bogosi Sekhukhuni, Chai Siris, Berkay Tuncay, Brent Watanabe.
Mohamed Bourouissa
Represent! Represent! Peeping Tom’s Digest N.4: Paris
June 2016

Text by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Modernissimo June 2016

Text and playlist by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
at the occasion of Tomaso De Luca's solo show Ein Reiner Morgen in Amerika
L’UOMO VOGUE N.470 Apr. 2016

Formafantasma, Studio Brynjar & Veronica
Jonas Mekas
All These Images, These Sounds A Palazzo Gallery
Dec. 12, 2015 – Feb. 14, 2016

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
The Internet Saga
Jonas Mekas, the movie Cinema Anteo
Sept. 21-23

A film by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Der Sabina
Amalia Ulman
Titre My Art Guide Meeting Point, Venice
May 7, 2015

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of The Internet Saga by Jonas Mekas
The Internet Saga
Jonas Mekas
Palazzo Foscari Contarini and Spazio Ridotto. Venice
May 6 - Nov. 22, 2015

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in conjunction with the LVI Venice Biennale of Visual Arts
L’UOMO VOGUE N. 461
May – June 2015

Marlene Dumas, Joan Jonas, Ellen Gallagher, Helen Marten
Nástio Mosquito Oratorio di San Ludovico, Dorsoduro 2552, Venice
May 3 – July 26, 2015

Curated by Jonathan Watkins in collaboration with Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Roma Piotroswka
Théo Mario Coppola
I D D U 89+ Instagram Takeover
Nov. 17-23, 2014

An Instagram novel
curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Dave Eggers. A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius
Open Museum Open City
MAXXI, Rome
Oct. 26 2014

A lecture by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
upon invitation of Chiara Fumai
in the framework of Open Museum Open City – Narrazioni curated by Hou Hanru.
Christine Rebet
Meltingsun AlbumArte, Rome
Oct. 8 – Dec. 13, 2014

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Maria Rosa Sossai
in the framework of Tandem Paris Rome
Un’idea brillante Frise Künstlerhaus, Hamburg
August 21 – September 7, 2014

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi

with works by Alighiero and Boetti, KP Brehmer
Valentina Roselli, Caterina Rossato, Serena Vestrucci.
South as a state of mind s/s 2014
The keys of the city

Text by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
ÑEWPRESSIONISM
From screen to nature and back again
Swiss Institute, Milano
June 10 – July 19, 2014

with contributions by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi, Giona Bernardi, Sebastian Frank Bietenhader, Domenico Billari, Mike Calvert, Thomas Cheneseau, Petra Cortright, Olivier Fairhurst, Cédric Fargues, Sylvie Fleury, Gina Folly, Ronnie Fueglister, Alessandro Giannì, Valery Grancher, Loic Gouzer, Dunja Herzog, Bruno Jakob, Matthew Landry, Oliver Laric, Miriam Laura Leonardi, Corrado Luminati, Miltos Manetas, Jed Martin, Lorenzo Micheli Gigotti, Lorna Mills, Robert Montgomery, Olivier Mosset, Brenna Murphy, Valentina Nascimben, Angelo Plessas, Luca Pozzi, Jon Rafman, Nora Renaud, Florian Schmidt Gabain, Travess Smalley, Priscilla Tea, Mai Ueda, Amalia Ulman, Harm van den Dorpel, Christian Wassmann, Seyoung Yoon, Ché Zara Blomfield.
Hera Büyüktaşçiyan
The land across the blind Galeri Mana, Istanbul
May 20, 2014

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Asli Seven
Duplex Cité des Arts, Paris
Feb. – May, 2014

AlbumArte, Roma
Sept. – Oct. 2014

A residency program curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
in the framework of Tandem Paris Rome
On parle de nous Nexialism Center of Research, Paris
May 24, 2014

Carte blanche to Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
III Internet Pavillion
Online program Nero Magazine
2014

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
with the kind participation of Enrico Ghezzi, detective Marco Scarcella, Angelo Plessas and many more
Chiara Fumai
With Love from $inster Apalazzogallery, Brescia
Dec. 15, 2013 – Feb. 15, 2014

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Purple Fashion Magazine N.20 F/W 2013

Text by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
III Internet Pavillion
Final Acts Teatrino di Palazzo Grassi
August 31, 2014
Oratorio di San Ludovico
September 1, 2014

Talk by Miltos Manetas and Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Dj-set by Chiara Fumai and Vjing by Miltos Manetas
Mass by Madre Maria Vittoria Longhitano and Vjing by Miltos Manetas
Miltos Manetas
The Unconnected - III Internet Pavillion for the Venice Biennale Oratorio di San Ludovico, Dorsoduro 2552, Venice
May 29 - Sept. 25, 2013

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Ich, Du, Er, Sie
This Lecture would be better in the dark Kunsthof - Zürcher Hochschule der Künste
20 July 2013

A performance lecture by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Der Sabina
Empty and Shadow Centrale Fies - ComPeung Residence
July 30, 2013

In collaboration with Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Chiara Fumai
Portrait of M.C. Fondazione Querini Stampalia, Venice 2013

Text by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
published on the occasion of the IX Premio Furla per l'Arte
Southernity Fondazione Bevilacqua La Masa
May 31 2013

A talk organized by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Venice Agendas CZ95 Cultural Center, Giudecca 95, Venezia
May 29 – 31, 2013

A public talk organized by Terry Smith and Clare Fitzpatrick in collaboration with Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Chiara Fumai
Follow this you bitches FUTURA – Centre For Contemporary Art (Prague)
Jan 30 – Feb. 24, 2013

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Taking position IUAV, Venice
Apr. 30 - May 2, 2013

A residency program organized by Aria Spinelli and Francesco Urbano Ragazzi in collaboration with ResidenzaItalia
Prima Visione
Travelling Southwards
Galleria Nazionale di Palazzo Arnone, Cosenza.
10, 11, 14 Dec. 2012

A public talk organized by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi with the participation of Marina Fokidis, Miltos Manetas, Akram Zaatari.
Primavisione Arnone Palace
Dec. 1-16 2012

Residency program curated by: Francesco Ragazzi & Francesco Urbano
Valentina Roselli
Brand New
On Stage
I benandanti Arteverona, Verona
Oct. 19-21 2012

With Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
L’Île Flottante SINOPALE 4 – Sinop Biennial, Sinop (Tk)
24 August – 12 September

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Electronic Orphanage: The ruins of the internet MACRO, Rome
June 27 2012

With Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Catalogue: A Special Day / Io Tu Lui Lei Venezia, 2012

curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi and Fabio Bozzato.
texts by Filipa Ramos, Pier Luigi Tazzi, Luca Trappolin, Angela Vettese.
Io Tu Lui Lei Fondazione Bevilacqua La Masa, Venice
Mars 6 - April 15, 2012

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Tamada Yanako
N-TUPLE Fotmuseum, Winterthur

Video presentation curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Mirroring Oratorio di San Ludovico, Venice
Oct. 29 2011

Curated by Francesco Ragazzi & Francesco Urbano, Vittorio Urbani.
in collaboration with Elisa Genna.
VIctoria Undodian – Tamlyn Young
Art Enclosures IV Casa dei Tre Oci, Venice
Oct. 24 – Nov. 6 2011

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
From Boom to Boom
American queer cinema 1947-1996. IUAV university, Venice
December 2 2011

Lecture by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Dolomitenhof Resort Sass Muss, Sospirolo, Belluno
September 17 – Oct. 16 2011

Project and group show curated by Francesco Ragazzi and Francesco Urbano.
Collecting The Future
European Cultural Association, Sinop, Turkey
Sept. 17 – Nov. 17 2011

With Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
A special day Appartamento Lago, IUAV University, Venice
May 22–29, 2019

Workshop organized by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Promoted by the City of Venice and the National Department for Equal Opportunities
BYOB
II Internet Pavilion for the Venice Biennale Island of San Servolo, Venice
June 2, 2011

Organizied by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi in collaboration with Gloria Maria Cappelletti
Spot 3 – Rachele Maistrello Venice

Curated by Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
The Island - 24 Month Meditation SS. Cosma e Damiano cloister, Venice
June 12 – Sept. 13, 2010

curated by Robert Vincent, Pier Luigi Tazzi, Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Atis-Rezistans Fondazione Bevilacqua La Masa, Venice
June 9 2010

A prologue to The Island exhibition

L’UOMO VOGUE N.470

Apr. 2016

Formafantasma, Studio Brynjar & Veronica

L’UOMO VOGUE N.470

Two designer profiles written at the occasion of L’Uomo Vogue “The Ultimate Design Stars” special issue: Studio Brynjar & Veronica and Formafantasma.